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froggy—hat:

Telling someone off isn’t worth shit in mafia if you can’t defend yourself in the end :l
What, did Gokudera kindly explain to Bel why he needed his half of the Vongola ring? Did Tsuna just ask Byakuran nicely to stop being such a fuck ass?Did Hibari and Mukuro have a friendly heated conversation when Namimori students started getting their asses kicked?
Nope.
Don’t think so.
I can understand where this is coming from, but overall when it comes to the actual MAFIA and all that KHR is really, you know, ABOUT, she’s useless.

> Implying KHR is in any way similar to “the actual MAFIA.”
It’s a crack-ish series about Useless Tsuna who fights with a flame on his head and whose clothes go flying off in the early chapters. The main mafia hero is a do-gooder 14-year-old. Even if you want to argue that KHR is reminiscent of actual mafia at some moments (a stretch), nowhere does the canon suggest being a nice, even merciful person is inferior to just being a hardcore asskicker.
In Tsuna vs. Xanxus, for instance, Tsuna is portrayed as more suited to be Boss for his merciful temperament (the bit about the Ninth), not because he is a stone-cold bad-ass killing machine. I don’t want to get into Xanxus vs. Tsuna arguments here; my point is, if you’re saying the canon is about stone cold mafia hardcoreness, or even fighting prowess by itself, I totally disagree. Yeah, that’s pretty contrary to real mafia, and so is Tsuna’s entire character, but I don’t think real mafia is in any way the point.
As far as Belphegor and Gokudera goes, Gokudera let Bel win, and the whole point is that there was a strength in losing if it meant maintaining his own life so he could be with his friends. That’s what I took out of the Bel and Gokudera fight. How, pray tell, does this suggest that pure physical asskickery is the most important KHR quality? In fact, Gokudera is a strong and important character who has lost several major fights. I don’t see him as degraded for that, either.
Hibari does go around kicking a lot of ass in a very physical way. This is not always portrayed as a good thing. It’s not always portrayed as a bad thing, but neither does it get him everywhere in life. When he barged in to fight Mukuro, he got hit with the sakura, and when he barged in to fight Spade, he lost then, too. Hibari’s strongest moments as a character, to me, occurred in the Ring Battle and in the Future Arc, when he — in his Hibari-ish way — assisted his team-mates and acted as the Cloud Guardian. Besides, Tsuna, not anyone else, is the main character, and time and again, it’s stated that his unwillingness to kill makes him stronger by the manga’s standards. Like in the recent fight, what Reborn said to Mukuro about Tsuna and Spade? How he inspires people because he values life?
Entirely contrary to “what the mafia is about.”
My post was about Chrome’s strength of character, in the first place. I said nothing about battle prowess.

froggy—hat:

Telling someone off isn’t worth shit in mafia if you can’t defend yourself in the end :l

What, did Gokudera kindly explain to Bel why he needed his half of the Vongola ring? Did Tsuna just ask Byakuran nicely to stop being such a fuck ass?
Did Hibari and Mukuro have a friendly heated conversation when Namimori students started getting their asses kicked?

Nope.

Don’t think so.

I can understand where this is coming from, but overall when it comes to the actual MAFIA and all that KHR is really, you know, ABOUT, she’s useless.

> Implying KHR is in any way similar to “the actual MAFIA.”

It’s a crack-ish series about Useless Tsuna who fights with a flame on his head and whose clothes go flying off in the early chapters. The main mafia hero is a do-gooder 14-year-old. Even if you want to argue that KHR is reminiscent of actual mafia at some moments (a stretch), nowhere does the canon suggest being a nice, even merciful person is inferior to just being a hardcore asskicker.

In Tsuna vs. Xanxus, for instance, Tsuna is portrayed as more suited to be Boss for his merciful temperament (the bit about the Ninth), not because he is a stone-cold bad-ass killing machine. I don’t want to get into Xanxus vs. Tsuna arguments here; my point is, if you’re saying the canon is about stone cold mafia hardcoreness, or even fighting prowess by itself, I totally disagree. Yeah, that’s pretty contrary to real mafia, and so is Tsuna’s entire character, but I don’t think real mafia is in any way the point.

As far as Belphegor and Gokudera goes, Gokudera let Bel win, and the whole point is that there was a strength in losing if it meant maintaining his own life so he could be with his friends. That’s what I took out of the Bel and Gokudera fight. How, pray tell, does this suggest that pure physical asskickery is the most important KHR quality? In fact, Gokudera is a strong and important character who has lost several major fights. I don’t see him as degraded for that, either.

Hibari does go around kicking a lot of ass in a very physical way. This is not always portrayed as a good thing. It’s not always portrayed as a bad thing, but neither does it get him everywhere in life. When he barged in to fight Mukuro, he got hit with the sakura, and when he barged in to fight Spade, he lost then, too. Hibari’s strongest moments as a character, to me, occurred in the Ring Battle and in the Future Arc, when he — in his Hibari-ish way — assisted his team-mates and acted as the Cloud Guardian. Besides, Tsuna, not anyone else, is the main character, and time and again, it’s stated that his unwillingness to kill makes him stronger by the manga’s standards. Like in the recent fight, what Reborn said to Mukuro about Tsuna and Spade? How he inspires people because he values life?

Entirely contrary to “what the mafia is about.”

My post was about Chrome’s strength of character, in the first place. I said nothing about battle prowess.

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Ten years is a long time.

Saturday, July 23, 2011
When push comes to shove, Chrome can be a lot more hardcore than many people give her credit for. She isn’t big on defending herself (she didn’t flinch when M.M. slapped her), seeming to take it in stride, but she is big on defending her friends and loved ones.
Remember how she raged at Glo Xinia and told him to get out because he had taken up Kokuyo land — which belonged to Mukuro, Ken, and Chikusa? Or here, when she refused to submit to Julie!Spade, even if it would have cost her her life. She also begged for Mukuro not to come help her when Spade again imploded her organs later, even though had he failed to come, she would have died.
(tl;dr they protect one another at great risks to themselves; IT’S TOUCHING)
And of course, she helped Enma and Tsuna during this arc.
Chrome isn’t submissive per se. She’s just quiet. The above picture is how she reacted when someone demanded that she accept him as master — someone she didn’t choose.
She only calls Mukuro master because she chose him as much as he chose her.

When push comes to shove, Chrome can be a lot more hardcore than many people give her credit for. She isn’t big on defending herself (she didn’t flinch when M.M. slapped her), seeming to take it in stride, but she is big on defending her friends and loved ones.

Remember how she raged at Glo Xinia and told him to get out because he had taken up Kokuyo land — which belonged to Mukuro, Ken, and Chikusa? Or here, when she refused to submit to Julie!Spade, even if it would have cost her her life. She also begged for Mukuro not to come help her when Spade again imploded her organs later, even though had he failed to come, she would have died.

(tl;dr they protect one another at great risks to themselves; IT’S TOUCHING)

And of course, she helped Enma and Tsuna during this arc.

Chrome isn’t submissive per se. She’s just quiet. The above picture is how she reacted when someone demanded that she accept him as master — someone she didn’t choose.

She only calls Mukuro master because she chose him as much as he chose her.